Hillary on Kosovoa


Here is Hillary's statement on Kosovoa:
2/17/2008
Statement of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on Kosova Independence

I welcome the historic declaration of Kosova independence issued today in Pristina. I urge our friends and allies and around the world to join the United States and European Union countries in promptly recognizing an independent Kosova.

This is a historic step that will allow the people of Kosova to finally live in their own democratic state. It will allow Kosova and Serbia to finally put a difficult chapter in their history behind them and to move forward. Resolving this issue has taken too long and has held both of these proud peoples back from pursuing a better European and Euro-Atlantic future. It is time now for all of us to look ahead and to focus on the challenge of building an independent Kosova and supporting a democratic Serbia in an integrated Europe.

I want to underscore the need to avoid any violence or provocations in the days and weeks ahead. Kosovars and Serbs have seen too much violence and too many provocations in the past. It is time to focus on improving the lives of people living in both countries and the integration of these countries into the West.

In recognizing the independence of Kosova, I want to stress the high importance that I attach to full protection of the rights of all minorities in Kosova, especially the Serbs, and to safeguard Serbian cultural and religious heritage sites in Kosova. The international community must stand firm on these points.

I remain concerned about the deterioration of the situation in neighboring Bosnia and urge the Bush Administration to pay more attention to this issue, so that it does not once again become a major threat to European stability.

I regret that it has taken so long for us to reach this historic juncture and that the Bush Administration has not always given the issues of Kosova, Serbia's democratic future, and the Balkans the attention they deserve. This has helped contribute to the complicated and risky situation on the ground in the Balkans that we still face today. I look forward to working with the democratic leaders in this region and will once again make the full integration of the Western Balkans into Europe and the Euro-Atlantic community the priority it should be.

End of Hillary post

My post:

How is it that anyone could actually think Obama is a better candidate for president of the united states? I do not get that? I understand the youth vote -- they, as a rule, don't think experience counts for anything and their world isn't much bigger than the community they live in. Nevertheless, I expect the adults, the mature ones, the ones who understand that this isn't a popularity contest, I expect them to understand that the circumstances are far too serious and the job much too important to anoint an inexperienced, uninformed young man to handle the responsibility.

Being on the streets of Chicago, or in the Illinois senate, or getting a bill passed in the US Senate that means the budget has to be made available on the web (no matter how nice that is) doesn't give someone the experience they need to be president of these United States. It doesn't. I hope the great people of WI, HI, OH, TX, PA, RI, and all the rest, recognize that.

We are a nation at war and we need a president who can extricate us from conflict with the reasoned response of a statesperson.



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Re: Hillary on Kosovoa (2.00 / 5)

Barack Obama is unqualified for the Presidency.


by truthteller2007 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:23:53 PM EST

Re: Hillary on Kosovoa (none / 0)

Why?


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:58:30 PM EST
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SO (none / 0)

"We are a nation at war and we need a president who can extricate us from conflict with the reasoned response of a statesperson."

So the best person to "extricate" us from conflict, is the person who led us into it?

Makes perfect sense.


by highgrade on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:28:48 PM EST

Re: SO (2.00 / 3)

Obama voted to bankroll the war, and he voted for the nomination of General Casey.


by truthteller2007 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:29:44 PM EST
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Commitment to our soldiers in harms way despite an (none / 0)

opposition to the mission on which they are engaged evidences the leadership we need in bringing this war to an acceptable end.  Voting to place such soldiers in harms way despite the absence of a comparable offsetting benefit to our national interest evidences a lack of such leadership.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:30:44 PM EST
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Can you please cite for me where (none / 0)

Blix asked for a military authorization.  Not saying you're wrong, its just that I've followed Iraq closely and this is the first I've heard of this.

If Clinton really opposed the war and was fooled into voting for the authorization on the basis of assurances that Bush would use it simply to pressure Hussein, then where was her outrage on the eve of war that Bush was using the Clinton supported "Resolution to Authorize Military Force Against Iraq" to ... whats that you say... use military force against Iraq.  Those Republicans are so deceptive with the way they name those bills :).

Moreover, it is a bit disingenuous to say that the only way to stop the war was to vote for it.  Clinton gave a lot of Democrats cover to vote for war, and given her stature in the party if she truly wanted to she could have twisted arms to ensure a relatively unified Democratic front against invasion.  Sure, its possible that Bush would have rushed to war without the support of the Democrats, but it sure would have made it much less likely (not to mention giving us the moral high ground to call for withdrawal if he did invade).

Also, I have trouble with you referring to Hillary as a responsible Senator (at least with regards to the Iraq War Vote).  She did not even read the National Intelligence Estimate upon which the administration's case for war was based.  It seems like when American lives are at stake a responsible Senator would do more than just get the CliffsNotes from a staffer.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:23:03 AM EST
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Appropriations bills have all sorts of things in them. You don't want our troops to die do you? I'm sure you want them to have food and armor and weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan right?


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:59:17 PM EST
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Since we are "one America" (2.00 / 2)

we should just take the right opinion, the Republican opinion and average them. That's what Sen. Awesome seems to intend.

Like one of my old engineering profs used to say, "What is the right answer? Yes? No? Yes plus no over two?"


by Pacific John on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:41:01 PM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (none / 0)

The best part about Obama is that his vision of one America does not involve compromising core principals with the Republicans.  He can bring our opponents to our side the same way Reagan brought Dems to the dark side -- using a positive personality and exuding a confidence that the progressive agenda is best for America.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:24:10 PM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (2.00 / 2)

This would be a great theory if the modern GOP had a large liberal wing just waiting to be co opted like we used to have a large wing of white conservative Dixiecrats.

Studies show that Congress has never been more partisan. The Rockefeller wing of the GOP is gone. Dixiecrats became Republicans. What used to look like bipartisanship is over. Unless we can snap our fingers, and magically undo safely gerrymandered GOP districts, the movement conservative opposition is here to stay.


by Pacific John on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:54:36 PM EST
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I am not talking about Southerners (none / 0)

From Wikipedia:

"Reagan Democrat is an American political term used by political analysts to denote traditionally Democratic voters, especially white working-class NORTHERNERS, who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in both the 1980 and 1984 elections."

The bulk of the Reagan Democrats were Northerners who voted Republican out of a sense of dissatisfaction with the nation's course under Carter.  Now we may not have as many Republicans who can be called liberal, but there are plenty who are dissatisfied with the nation's course under Bush and are ready to do for our party what the Reagan Democrats did for the Republicans.  That is to say, so long as Hillary -- the politician they despise the most --  is not the Democratic nominee they need to support to do it.  Put someone relatively innocuous to Republican ire on the ballot like Obama and the anti-Reagan Republicans will defect (or at least not vote for McCain and stand in the way of the change they know America so desperately needs).


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:05:22 PM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (none / 0)

Not letting people die like the Clinton's let the Rwandans die.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:32:51 PM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (none / 0)

Please -- Hillary is not Bill. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- she is her own person.


by seattlegonz on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:35:24 AM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (none / 0)

Then Kosovo has nothing to do with her. And this isn't evidence of anything.


by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:55:15 AM EST
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Re: Since we are "one America" (none / 0)

She went to Kosovo and as president all changes in the political and social structures of  the world are meaningful and should be noted by her. That she is able to articulate a cogent and reasoned statement to all the events of the day show her command of the diplomatic, social and political world. Obama says he'll sit down with people, but doesn't give us any idea what he'll say...Hillary tells us what her position is, so we understand how she'll represent us. Very, very well.


by seattlegonz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:43:34 PM EST
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More (none / 0)

Not making the death penalty easier. Not making the immigration system less humane (Bill already made it too inhumane). Using diplomacy. Not rushing to judgment about things as serious as war. Putting judges on the bench that will protect the Constitution. Eh. They'll probably both do that but her nominees will suffer more.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:35:01 PM EST
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Oh yeah (none / 0)

Making the CJS more fair.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:35:23 PM EST
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Making higher education accessible (none / 0)

to those who aren't rich.  Reducing carbon emissions. Ending racial profiling by police.  Gee, your question does not seem to be engendering the type of blank stare that the Clinton/McCain insinuation that Obama has no concrete policies would predict.  Care to try another -- maybe that the states he won don't count :).


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 11:34:10 PM EST
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Are you serious? I know republican attacks have been able to blame Hillary for everything, but I didn't really believe you'd become so absurd as to try and make Hillary responsible for the war in Iraq.

Have you even read the Authorization to use force? It was an authorization to use military force if diplomatic and UN sanctions for inspections weren't forthcoming. That the Bush adminstration went to the UN and put on a plutonium show...well, it was easy to see how things were going to go after that.

I'm a pacifist and I abhor war -- but, I recognize that decisions aren't made by speech writers and the responsibility for protecting a nation may be a little more deliberate and solemn than I can imagine. Hillary wouldn't have gone to war, and she certainly didn't lead us to war. It's that kind of irresponsible talk that makes so many despise Obama and his supporters.


by seattlegonz on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:41:02 PM EST
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That is ridiculous, revisionist and dangerous.  And what about the Levin amendment?


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:07:40 PM EST
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You reveal the crux of your argument with the last vital observation, elections were two weeks away.  Exactly, yet the war continues.  No sale, what were the 23 senators who opposed the AUMF thinking, eh?  She was for the war before she was against it.


by Shaun Appleby on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:44:37 PM EST
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Re: SO (2.00 / 2)

We need the best commander in chief to lead us out of the war, period.  and I think Hillary would be the best commander in chief.  

And you are wrong to call her as "the person who led us into it".  Did she verbally order the troop to go to war, did she draw the plan, did she told Rumfeld and Chenney to do this and that in Iraq.
Did she have direct line of communication with all those generals?  
WHO did all those thing? WHO LEADS US INTO THIS WAR?

And you might want to check Obama's stand on many war related issues.  His position seems to change again and again.  Ask yourself what you believe is his position on Iran, and read this interview.  Does it match with what you believe?

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/oct200 4/obam-o01_prn.shtml


by JoeySky18 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:44:54 PM EST
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The article references Obama's (none / 0)

consideration of a surgical missile strike against Iran, if diplomatic efforts failed.  This differs greatly from the foreign policy blunders associated with Clinton.  Bush clearly did not exhaust diplomatic options in Iraq (if he did we would have discovered the lack of WMD's), and Clinton acquiesced to his militant strategy nonetheless.  Moreover, the invasion of Iraq was hardly the surgical approach that Obama was mulling over with respect to Iran.  Imagine how better off our country would have been if we had engaged in a "surgical" attack on Hussein as compared to the nation building fiasco upon which we find ourselves currently engaged.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:42:03 PM EST
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Re: The article references Obama's (none / 0)

"The question we face today is not whether to go to war, for war was thrust upon us. Our only choice is between victory and defeat. Let's be clear: In the war on terror, victory cannot be secured at the bargaining table."  -- Tom DeLay

"[Bush] has put so much of his political standing and prestige on Iraq, that he simply must have a politically acceptable solution, not just the disarmament of Iraq, but the removal of Saddam Hussein from power." -- Lee Hamilton

"The debate that began in the Senate last week is centered not on the fundamental and monumental questions of whether and why the United States should go to war with Iraq, but rather on the mechanics of how best to wordsmith the president's use-of-force resolution in order to give him virtually unchecked authority to commit the nation's military to an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation." --Robert Byrd

"We cannot wait for the final truth, the smoking gun, it may come in the form of a mushroom cloud." --George W. Bush

The tenor of these quotes and many like them dating from before the war vote leaves no doubt that the administration had no intention to use the Congressional authorization for anything but to go to war against Iraq, and everyone in who followed the resolution knew it.  The bill was not entitled "A Resolution to Give the President the Power to Make the Inspections Work", it was called "A Resolution Giving Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq".  Given the tenor of the debate, Hillary certainly could not have believed that the President would use the bill for any purpose than what its title implied - - your comments or her spin notwithstanding.

No swooning, no spin, just plain historical fact.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:03:05 PM EST
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Re: SO (none / 0)

"Best" would seem to be something you couldn't legitimately say about a person who didn't read the intel and admits trusting the Bush administration...


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:01:30 PM EST
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Re: SO (none / 0)

The Best commander in chief...it seems she has a great deal of experience, leadership ability and tenacity.  

Yes we can...vote for hillary and see real change instead of hype.


it's Your Time America...take action today and make a better country; let Hillary fight for you!
by freespeechnow on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 04:37:08 AM EST
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highgrade wrote:

"So the best person to "extricate" us from conflict, is the person who led us into it?"

Oh, no, Rumsfeld and Cheney don't take Clinton into their inner circle, they don't like her policies, they're afraid of her.

Obama is more their type.


by Marsha1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 09:59:13 AM EST
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It is not a huge surprise that Hillary has command of foreign policy. Wes Clark's recent comments reflected on Hillary's mastery of the situation when he met with her during the height of tensions in Bosnia.

Hell, it's obvious Chelsea Clinton has a better grasp of the issues that Sen. Awesome does.


by Pacific John on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:37:05 PM EST

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Yeah she knows her mother made her decision to sign on to the war based on the best available intel. Too bad she's wrong.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:02:17 PM EST
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Re: Hillary on Kosovoa (none / 0)

I think it's incredibly patronizing to call Barack Obama a young man.  He's 46.  Not only that it's totally ignorant of history.  The three youngest Presidents were Jack Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt, and Bill Clinton, three of the best Presidents we've ever had.  And by the way, if America listened to "immature" young voters George W. Bush wouldn't be President.    


by Chuckwalla on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:40:39 PM EST

Tell it to Sen. Awesome (2.00 / 1)

He disavows being a boomer even though he's a good three years too old to be an Xer. He enthusiastically manufactures the image of being young, even though he's squarely middle aged. Live by the hype, die by the hype.


by Pacific John on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 06:45:13 PM EST
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Re: Tell it to Sen. Awesome (none / 0)

Yeah us black folks over 40 love being referred to as "boy" or anything similar. It makes us all warm and fuzzy. So warm and fuzzy we might just sit this one out if HRC is the nominee. Good luck without us!


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:03:36 PM EST
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Re: Tell it to Sen. Awesome (none / 0)

Why are you trying to turn this into a racial issue?

Do you prefer the Republican reality to the reality of a Hillary Clinton presidency. You ARE a Democrat, aren't you?


by devoted1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:44:06 AM EST
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Re: Tell it to Sen. Awesome (none / 0)

I am. It was turned into a racial issue as soon as Shaheen dropped the drug-dealer meme. Enough of us black folks will sit this one out and let you reap what you have sown should HRC get nominated.

Perhaps then people will stop taking our votes for granted.


by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:54:25 AM EST
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Re: Tell it to Sen. Awesome (none / 0)

oh go on, bring it all back to race. its all about race, and we're all racists for supporting hillary.

Here we go again.

You know, you're getting quite annoying


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:05:17 AM EST
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46 is young for a presidental candidate, no two ways about it. And not only is it a logical fallancy to declare Obama a good president because other good presidents were also young, it isn't even correct. Bill Clinton was above average, but not one of the great ones, Jack Kennedy was an unmigitated disaster, (Not a popular assesment here probably, but true to the facts) Teddy Roosevelt was larger then life and certainly a good president, but nowhere near as great as Lincoln, washington or his own cousin FDR.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:23:07 AM EST
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Commander in Chief (none / 0)

While Hillary wouldn't beat McCain with the commander in chief argument she would easily beat Barack. Exit polls show a strong consistent lead for Hillary in terms of military leadership. The campaign should have used that to there advantage and speak more towards the idea that only a strong commander in chief could successfully pull the troops. A constant barrage of this position would eventually force Obama to respond and the focus could slowly turn from the Iraq war to who is a better commander in chief to lead the soldiers out of the war (an argument Hillary wins easily). The key, in my opinion, is to get voters thinking about specific issues when they get to the polls. Hillary's campaign has been following Obama's lead by answer the change argument with experience. If you want to win elections you must be the one determining what will be argued and how it will be argued (Voters will jump onto the argument of the day and pick a position based on that point)


Voices in the Wilderness
by Wiseprince on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:08:48 PM EST

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I think Hillary does beat McCain on this issue because she's strong on national security without being reckless like McCain.

She has been making this case...unfortunately, though, the media in Obama fugue hasn't given her or it the coverage it deserves.


by seattlegonz on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:30:06 PM EST

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Without being reckless?  K-L. Iraq. Were those well thought out decisions?


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:18:00 PM EST
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voting for K-L was bad, but seeing how Obama introduced a bill that contained the same offending language as K-L I don't see how that would reflect worse for her then for him.

You do have a point on Iraq. Bush did twist the purpose of the Iraq bill. But you can certainly fault the 22 democratic senators for voting for a bill that could be twisted so easily.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:38:10 AM EST
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And which tons of people outside and inside the Washington bubble knew was a vote for war...

What's the number of the bill you're referring to?


by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:53:12 AM EST
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what exactly was wrong with K-L

All this gloom and doom shit never happened. We arent in war with Iran, and its forced Bush to use diplomacy, exactly what the goal of the legislation was for.

I dont see Obama bringing up the fact that Durbin voted for it.  I wonder, when he needs Durbin for something, does he say "you're a warmongering senator"

Give me a fucking break, get out of your talking points and use some real analysis every now and then


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:08:12 AM EST
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I have been to Kosovo, and I think Senator Obama has much stronger foreign policy credentials to deal with the situation there and to deal with the rest of the world.  


Go back to Hussein Texas
by gobacktotexas on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:35:41 PM EST

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This has to be the funniest Obama supporter post I've read today. I hope you're kidding. The sad thing is, with many Obama fan posts you just can't tell. They all read like this.


by seattlegonz on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:52:35 PM EST
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Ah. Streets named after your husband means you are good at foreign policy. The bar is very low I see.

Anways, lawyer isn't a full time job? Community organizer isn't a full time job? Legislator isn't a full time job? Is the only full time job representing corporations or something?

Invade? You mean send small spec ops units? That's more like it.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:20:56 PM EST
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Re: Hillary on Kosovoa (2.00 / 1)

How do you think the Rwandans feel about BJC's foreign policy skills?


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:22:24 PM EST
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"I understand the youth vote -- they, as a rule, don't think experience counts for anything and their world isn't much bigger than the community they live in."

Ah, the all too familiar hit on the youth.  We're just young and naive and have no understanding of the world...When I look at friends, siblings, cousins, etc, we've all traveled the world and interacted with a greater variety of people than our parents have.  It is the oldest among us, who have been in their own communities for decades, who don't see outside of it.  They're the ones whose lack of understanding of the world sent our generation off to die in a war with no purpose.


by WellstoneDem on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:40:55 PM EST

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  Yeah, young voters are soooo stooopid.  They don't vote for Hillary!  lol.


Jim Oberweis
by cilerder86 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:56:07 PM EST
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Aah... the "I know what you are, but what am I?" argument.

a sure winner in a debate about maturity.

I found the original sentiment stupid (certainly because I counted as a young voter untill not that long ago) but your response wasn't much better. Arguing that older voters caused death and the war is a bit heavy on the hyberbolic side. Especially as it's not actually true...


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Ernst on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 06:53:50 AM EST
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What experience does HRC have? Other than being first lady I mean since you're discounting everything else.


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:58:13 PM EST

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Too bad they let the Rwandans die.

""The day all that started, the U.S. said not only are we not getting involved, we are not going to support anyone else getting involved.""

- Gen. Romeo Dallaire

There's a winning foreign policy! You want to have her claim her experience through her husband then I guess she gets to be responsible for that decision too. Nice work!


by illlaw1 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 10:25:00 PM EST

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Not the same at all. Hillary isn't claiming her experience is Bill's, she claiming she has her own experience as an activist first lady. The two of them agreed on some things and disagreed on some, as any two people will do.

She does know what kind of issues a president faces and the gravity of the job.


by seattlegonz on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:38:30 AM EST
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She created a shift for women in the East with her speech in China. That was totally significant to the progress of women around the world. Powerful.


by devoted1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 12:50:13 AM EST
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Then one can't conflate Kosovo and BJC's actions with HRC like this post is attempting to do since it had nothing to do with her right?


by illlaw1 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:52:07 AM EST
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except you ARE A FUCKING IDIOT

She was ON THE GROUND IN KOSOVO.

SHE was there, not Obama, Not McCain. She was on the ground, she spoke to soldiers, she was with the people.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 11:11:41 AM EST
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I love the Clintons and I definitely support Hillary. I don't blame the Democrats on the authorization of war. The Presidency has gotten so powerful that W said that he would go to war with or without the authorization, and he was going to do just that.

I and a friend (who did the vast amount of work and planning) helped create a couple of demonstrations against Clinton going to war in Kosovo. The one I really remember was outside Nadler's office, who was supporting the bombing. Of course the only time that Kosovo or Croatia were ever countries was when Adolf Hitler created them as countries, and they then went about killing Serbians and Jews.  Kosovo was a majority Serbian before the Albanian Kosovars killed and scared a lot of hem away in the 1940's. Germans have long memories and I still think that our attack on Serbia had something to do with the Germans wanting to get back on the Serbian Rebellion in '41 that delayed them from attacking Russia for months. Germany might have won Barbarossa if it wasn't for the 900,000 dead Serbian Heros.

I hope Russia can stop this from happening. The history of Serbia starts in Kosovo. There are 1400 ancient Serbian churches in Kosovo (at least until the Albanians started to burn them down). When we started bombing we insisted that Kosovo was part of Serbia.


by maxstar on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 01:54:05 AM EST

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Enough on the experience debate.  
Clinton worked policy for 2 years, until the health care debacle.  In 1994 - 1996, she became more in the mold of a traditional first lady.  Post 1996, she ran point on the vast right wing conspiracy we had to live through.  While watching CNN, my 6 year old asked my wife and I what a blow job was - really, do we want to put our country through that again?  
All the politicians who gave the boy prince his congressional mandate should be voted out of office PERIOD.  ALL of them.  
The most meaningful vote this country has had since Welfare, and they blew it.  
'The only people for me are the mad ones, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing ...'
by stryan on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:40:25 AM EST

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Barack Obama lacks foreign policy experience.


by truthteller2007 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 10:55:03 AM EST

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I don't know how to do those shaded box things. Sorry about that.


by seattlegonz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 02:44:36 PM EST


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